We saw a lot of job losses with the deregulation of the industry and the two-tier system throughout the nineties, so it's been devastating. We have a situation right now at Expertech where Bell Canada wants to see 25% concessions in wages and benefits in order to compete. This is what they're demanding of our members. Bell Canada is announcing that they're going to close down that operation if the workers won't take those concessions.
So there's a big pressure on our workers and members to take concessions. There are a lot of negotiations on attrition, with members leaving, and they aren't creating any new well-paying jobs for Canadians, particularly in the rural area.