You're getting into my next question, which is good. Mr. Van Kesteren mentioned we were in China, and one of the things they identified to us was that they're now getting concerned. It's a myth that they're just producing cheap junk, so to speak. Higher-end manufacturing is happening over there now. They seem to be indicating an interest, but I'm not sure.
For example, these reports say, whether it be DVDs or a whole series of things, they gut them, the whole thing, they shred them and all that kind of stuff. I don't want to put you on the spot, but at the same time, have relationships in terms of that changed? I'm somewhat skeptical that they're at the point where they really want to crack down on this stuff to another level. Has there been an improved relationship in this to the degree that you think is...?