Let me ask you, what about the question of other penalties? You refer to section 5.1 in your recommendation: “Strengthen civil remedies for counterfeiting. In particular, the civil legislation should provide for”, etc.
We've talked about the criminal, but it seems to me—and I think Mr. Lipkus could certainly bear this out, and Mr. Webster could as well—that it would be a lot easier to obtain the quick-fix damages that were caused by this, quite apart from the issue of proceeds of crime. Are you suggesting, then, that we ought to have more vigorous remedies in terms of civil procedure?
I'm open to anyone here on this.