We've spoken to Mr. Bradley and a number of transportation firms. Talking about this is part of their C-TPAT certification system and the processes that have to be put in place.
I think there are a couple of issues here. One is just the issue around enforcement. It's all well and good to say that this is an important thing to do, but from the truckers' point of view, this is just backing up more and more cost onto the trucking industry, which already sees itself as overburdened by having to deal with border costs and overall security costs.
I think the shippers, the truckers, marine transport, the airlines are all looking at doing this too, but they need some support in terms of the effect of enforcement at the border.
Let me say one other thing. You asked before, Mr. Masse, about overall trade policy. I think this is a particularly important issue when we're dealing with our major trading partner, the United States. We should be coming at our trade agreements from a common point of view. This is a major area in which the Americans and the Europeans and the Australians have brought action against other countries, particularly China, on IP issues. I think we should be there and very forceful in our representations at the WTO. We should be incorporating stronger IP protection in all of our international trade treaties, including the one that is being negotiated with Korea.
But I have to tell you that if we're not enforcing it, at the end of the day we really can't get out there and expect anybody else to be enforcing their rules. In fact, some would argue that the Chinese have had stronger enforcement of IP regulations and compliance than Canadians have had.