Just to add to that, absolutely. For example, the single E85 site in Ontario is a UPI site, which is an independent site. That particular independent has taken a big risk by putting that site in. With the price of ethanol where it is, which is high relative to gasoline, he has to charge a lot more for his E85 than he does for his conventional gasoline. So business risk is there, but diversification and marketing planning is extremely important to independents. That's why we are always on the cutting edge of biofuels.
I think your question is best directed at the refiners.