Can I answer that question?
I mentioned earlier that I had created two committees, as national science advisor. One was to bring together the presidents of councils and foundations and to have them discuss relevant matters of concern to them. The other group was a group of deputy ministers of science-based departments and agencies. I had permission from the clerk to do this, to bring them together again to discuss common interests, horizontal collaborations, how we could better work together. In fact, most of those dinners were held at night because that was the only time we could find deputy ministers available, because they were very busy during the day.
So that was good value for money, Mr. Chairman. The others can be seen in exactly the same light.