The public service as a whole is older than the Canadian public, and the scientists as a whole are older than the public service. They start much later and don't stay past the age of 60. We hear about some staying on an emeritus status, but they do not stay.
On the other issue, as Dr. Coulombe has said, a lot of our scientists are world-class and the NRC is a world-class site. But last year they had to let 100 scientists go, and this year they're facing another 5% cut in their budget, so they may have to let another 300 scientists go. That's not just NRC; that's across a lot of the departments. There has been a lot of attrition due to budget cuts.