The council is made up of an extraordinary group of members who are leaders in their various sectors. It's fair to say they wouldn't show up with the regularity they do, or work with the intensity they do, both on the work of the council at large and the work we do in the committee structure, if they felt it was a useless exercise.
Like Howard, I've been involved in many provincial, national, and international science councils and bodies, advisory groups included. But I've never seen anything like the attention this minister gives. And on the occasions that I've been with the Prime Minister in public, he has shown that he has knowledge of the work we're doing. I would say that the press we get to keep our work moving forward is a wonderful encouragement. So is our sense that there's a receptor out there waiting for it. I think it's quite exceptional.