To provide context, the STIC was set up and announced as a full membership in mid-October. I believe October 18 was the exact date. November 18 was the first meeting. It met in January, and it meets tonight and tomorrow. The minister is at all meetings, in person. We have had wonderful interaction and rapport with the minister. These are exciting and major issues that we're coming to grips with. Twelve years ago John Manley, when he was the Minister of Industry, said to me that the most challenging problem in Canada was how to enhance industry R and D. We are trying to tackle this problem.
The interaction with the minister's staff has been superb. Heather can confirm this. Peter MacKinnon, who chairs the international S and T working group, this morning said to me in the corridor, “Your staff is phenomenal, just as good as the council itself.” He said, “We're blessed that the minister's office and the minister in particular have been so engaged with us on an ongoing basis.” That's all I can say.