I must apologize. I had a problem with the innovation for the first little part.
But to answer your second part, at TRLabs, for example, we have a very wide array of industry-sponsoring organizations participating with us. We leverage the expertise of the universities we partner with as well, in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba. Those companies are taking advantage of the bright minds the universities are generating, and through that they are developing technologies and then taking it to the next step of innovation. One of our outputs is also high-quality people.
To answer the question of whether industry is investing enough in development and innovation, it's certainly not only the government's role to fund that directly, but I think the role of government is to be a catalyst. That means scientific research, experimental development, and tax credits. I already made a comment that not enough companies are taking advantage of that existing resource, and some of them are fairly large companies. That in itself would create internal venture funding for some companies to be able to take advantage and reinvest in development of new products and services.
TRLabs is a very successful model. We've been around for 22 years. We're going to continue to do that, but it's always a struggle. The intersection of those cultures is a very interesting place to live.