I'll take that.
You know what? I have a PhD and I'm proud of it, but some of that does go on. The reason I'm not in therapy over it is that my colleagues here know that when we do work together, BCIT has a contribution to make.
I'm not sure the external system encourages that marriage often enough. That's why I came today, as I'm hoping to make that work in some way. I hope they would agree that when we do get to the same table to help solve a problem—which often has started in their halls or labs—and which we're trying to get it closer to the market, they would know that we have a role to play. But the problem is that we're not forced to dance together.