Yes. It's actually a fact. I mean, even with the CFIs, or you can go to any of them.... First of all, colleges aren't eligible for a number of the tri-councils. BCIT has worked very hard--we are--but then we don't perform well; and here's how I'd put it in a nutshell.
Although they may change the front-end rules and say that BCIT is allowed to submit a proposal for CECR or NSERC or SSHRC, in my opinion, at the back end they haven't changed their reviewing processes. It is an old club. It's a university club with lots of very respected, very good academics. When they see our applications come in, there are not enough PhDs. They don't count what we're good at, such as the things I mentioned in my presentation. We're really good at making the things, and fixing and solving those problems, but what they're really looking for is licences, patenting, and number of publications.
So we're in a constant dialogue, trying, with these tri-councils, to just get them to use a different filter, and then we'd be willing to be tested. We're willing to say our contribution can be important. But right now it's not working out that way because the system hasn't changed at the back end.