We think they're very important, and we think the government has to subsidize them. They're not money-making things, although TRIUMF, for example, has commercial spinoffs and generates some money, and so does Atomic Energy of Canada through the sale of radio isotopes, and so on.
These things are very important for the health of the scientific community in the country. If we're going to pull our weight in these fields, we have to have facilities in our own country and we have to have a mechanism to participate in international developments.
I watch what's going on, for example, with the synchrotron in Geneva. There's only a very small Canadian contribution to it; I think we're making some magnets for it. But access by scientists to that is not as good as it should be. There are any number of examples where there are big scientific international projects going on, and Canada has trouble participating in those.