That's a challenge, Ms. Nash.
What we've tried to do is identify opportunities for our researchers. As you know, researchers' first passion is research. To be honest, some of them wouldn't know a good idea if it hit them on the head. It really needs us to identify those opportunities. You can do good fundamental research, but I think you need to have a target in mind. Even if you can't identify that specific target, as long as you're moving toward that goal I think you can support that good fundamental research.
The worst thing we can do, I think, in networks of centres of excellence--Peter, I'd like to hear your comments--is support research that is really curiosity-driven, kind of science for science's sake. There are funding agencies that do that kind of thing. Networks of centres of excellence are different in that they are targeted. They have that onerous goal of actually having applications.
So I think that's how I would do it. We try to do workshops with our students and our researchers to identify those opportunities and discuss issues such as intellectual property, the steps you need to do when you spin out a company, and things like that.