Very quickly, I have two comments.
One is that in the case of NEPTUNE certainly, I think one also has to look at it in terms of the return on investment for the public good. And this is in relation to many of the areas I briefly outlined in my opening remarks on the public policy applications of the research, such as hazard mitigation, sovereignty and security, resource assessment, ocean climate dynamics, and those kinds of areas where that return on investment is vital.
My second comment, picking up on a theme that both of the others have mentioned, is that the partnering with industry is already under way. OceanWorks, a major company in North Vancouver, is now competitive in ocean observing systems in Taiwan and Europe as a consequence of the work they're doing with VENUS and NEPTUNE.