Evidence of meeting #22 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was measurement.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Richard Dicerni  Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Kelly Gillis  Chief Financial Officer, Comptrollership and Administration Sector, Department of Industry Canada
Paul Boothe  Senior Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry Canada
Peter Boag  President, Canadian Petroleum Products Institute
Joan Huzar  Chair, Energy Committee, Consumers Council of Canada
Carol Montreuil  Vice-President, Eastern Division, Canadian Petroleum Products Institute

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

You mean last year's budget...?

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Chief Financial Officer, Comptrollership and Administration Sector, Department of Industry Canada

Kelly Gillis

Yes. In the budget that's just going through now, there was $126 million that was committed over five years, and you have a portion of it, the $25.7 million, being asked for in these supplementary estimates.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

This is not in Bill C-9, but in the budget prior to C-9?

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Chief Financial Officer, Comptrollership and Administration Sector, Department of Industry Canada

Kelly Gillis

No. This would be Bill C-9.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

So even though Bill C-9 has not passed, you're able to put something in the supplementaries (A) to make that happen?

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Chief Financial Officer, Comptrollership and Administration Sector, Department of Industry Canada

Kelly Gillis

We have two items in supplementaries (A) that are related to Bill C-9: clusters and TRIUMF.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

And has that facility been around for a long time and are we getting results from it?

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

TRIUMF has been around for decades.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Decades...? Okay.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

It is a well-known international research facility that has established... May I read to you for the record...?

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Absolutely, as long as it's not more than five minutes long.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

The $126 million over five years received through budget 2010 is in addition to TRIUMF's existing A-base funding, which is $19 million a year. This enables scientists at TRIUMF to undertake many important research initiatives, including life-science-based research initiatives. No other facility in Canada can match the capabilities offered by the TRIUMF facility, the research taking place at the TRIUMF-related foundation for new technologies in physical and life sciences, and the facilities that contribute to advanced materials research in Canada.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Okay. So it's been around a while. That's why I wanted to know, because I don't know anything about it personally.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I just didn't know anything about it so I just wanted to--

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

If ever you're out in the west coast, I'll mention to the president of the NRC... It is truly a--

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Where on the west coast is it?

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A voice

UBC.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Because I'm on the budget committee and we're looking for places to visit in the fall for the finance committee. That may be one of them.

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

I believe that Mr. Rajotte, your committee's chair, would be intimately familiar with this.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I appreciate that.

On the money for the Space Agency that's transferred from NRC, from a practical point of view, why do we give the money to the NRC to transfer to the Space Agency? Why doesn't it go directly to the Space Agency? I don't understand why there has to be a transfer between organizations.

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Chief Financial Officer, Comptrollership and Administration Sector, Department of Industry Canada

Kelly Gillis

As you've seen in our last...and also with supplementary estimates (C), departments get together to promote different things together. For this particular one, the Space Agency is transferring from the NRC the $35,000 for a grant to allow students to get involved in science.

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Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I understand what it's for. I just don't know why we don't... Not in this book, but in the other ones, there are hundreds of transfers. It drives me crazy. So why didn't we just fund--

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Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Richard Dicerni

The reason is...[Technical Difficulty--Editor]

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A voice

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