Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses for coming today.
Madam Huzar, I'm just taking a look at the specific comments you've made here. I'll deal with them one at a time.
On the AMPs versus the increased sorts of criminal fines, I guess, in a sense, and the difference between the maximum penalty being at $2,000 versus the more serious criminal offences at $20,000 to $50,000, I think we're talking about two different things. We're talking about—