We haven't had the benefit of hearing from some of the large manufacturers of pumps. I know that the biggest ones, Dresser Wayne and Gillbarco, have not been asked to come here.
My experience with the industry going back several years, as you know, Mr. Johnston, is that most of those pumps, as they do fail, more than likely fail in favour of the consumer. Indeed the industry tells me, that is, many of the companies—and we're obviously not dealing with those that do look at this—calibrate more often than two years. In fact the calibration, certainly from the refiner to the terminal or to the purchaser, never exceeds a skew of 0.2 to 0.4, and yet Measurement Canada tolerates a half percent skew.
You can understand that if we're dealing with one in 25 pumps that are admittedly faulty, through whatever we accept as data or information, I think the public would find it equally disturbing that even if we were to pass this legislation, Measurement Canada tolerates a half a litre rip-off, if you will, or a skew, or loss, for every 100 litres dispensed. Put another way, as Mr. Van Kesteren and I have talked about this, with our 80- to 85-litre vehicles you're losing 40¢ to 50¢ value every time you fill up.