Okay. I guess I'm a little concerned about that.
I'd like to go back to Mr. Veldhuis. Many today who favour the mandatory aspects of this whole process have really been running all day from the penalties. I want you to talk a little bit about whether you think it's appropriate at all to have penalties here. Is it necessary, in your opinion, to coerce Canadians in order to get this information?
I found it interesting as the day has gone on that we've had Liberal MPs here who don't seem to want to have any mandatory penalties to it. We had witnesses earlier, such as Mr. Drummond, talking about fines perhaps but nothing more than that. So do you have any comments on that? It's easier for the opposition to say they want this thing to be mandatory but they certainly don't want any penalties. But I think “mandatory” means they do have them, right?