I'm just kidding, Mr. Rafferty.
This is an important part of the process for us. We have a unique panel in this set-up. We're hearing from people who have been impacted. I think it's very important for us to have the opportunity to hear from all of you.
One of the things we've heard as we've gone through the first few panels is that this bill clearly has no retroactive effect. Does everybody have a clear understanding of that? Everybody's nodding. Good.
There's another thing I want to clarify about bankruptcy. So often it seems to get distilled down to a “workers versus big companies” concept, but the reality is that it's far more complicated. Let's face it: in relation to the Nortel company, many of the owners of Nortel were Canadians who had Nortel stock in their RRSPs or pension funds. One hand's up there. I'm sure most of you were in that boat.
Many of those pension funds that held Nortel stocks would have been union pension funds, so the workers Mr. Hanlon talks about would have been impacted by the bankruptcy as well. It's obviously very complex.
Unfortunately, we only get five minutes. Mr. Hanrieder, how old were you when you started working for Nortel, if you don't mind my asking?