Evidence of meeting #7 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was content.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Maureen Parker  Executive Director, Writers Guild of Canada
Rebecca Schechter  President, Writers Guild of Canada
Peter Murdoch  Vice-President, Media, Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada
Michel Ouimet  Executive Vice-President, Québec, Communications, Energy and Paperworkers Union of Canada
Alain Pineau  National Director, Canadian Conference of the Arts
Garry Neil  President of Neil Craig Associates, Canadian Conference of the Arts
Solange Drouin  Vice-President and Executive Director, Public Affairs, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo
Ferne Downey  National President, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists
Stephen Waddell  National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

10:35 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

Well, I think we can convince our colleagues in government on the basis that the government itself has said that these industries are integrated. It would be the Minister of Heritage, James Moore, of course, in setting up the new Canada Media Fund, who said that funding for broadcasting must always, and in every instance, include production for the web. There has to be a mobile component to the distribution of that production or else the production will not qualify for the Canada Media Fund.

That's the government's position, and that's the position with which the Canada Media Fund has been launched. It was launched today, April 1. We certainly support the government on the Canada Media Fund and thank the government for extending the Canadian Television Fund into the Canada Media Fund and financial support for that fund, without which Canadian production could not continue. So thank you.

I give that as an example.

10:35 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Mrs. Drouin.

10:35 a.m.

Vice-President and Executive Director, Public Affairs, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo

Solange Drouin

I talked about the successes in the music world earlier, but it's very difficult right now. Sales in the music industry in Canada have fallen more than 30% as a result, among other things, of illegal downloading over the Internet. In the past four years, Quebec artists have maintained their 40% share of sales, but total sales have fallen 25% as a result of illegal downloading, among other things, which is done in part over cell phones.

It's absurd to say that there has been no impact for us. The industry is in crisis, particularly as a result of technological developments. Governments have put other financial measures in place to help us, but this is clear to us. When the CRTC asked its question on its new media policy, we asked it to try to see how—without copying what is being done in conventional broadcasting—certain aspects of the regulations that have had very good effects could be integrated. We're thinking of the regulation of quotas, distribution orders of priority.

How could that be applied to the Internet? I hope you are convinced that the Internet is increasingly malleable and controllable. I won't cite any examples, which could follow me for a long time, of certain countries that force giants to bend to their policies. However, it is clear that the problem is never one of a lack of control over technology; it's a lack of political will as a result of which the decision is made not to touch the Internet.

It can't be said that there is no connection. On the contrary, there is a very direct connection in our industry. At ADISQ, we also monitor, every day, all the services that emerge and die on the Internet, using this new highway. Hundreds of services die. Free, legal services, with advertising, subscriptions, with downloading, etc., die every week, and I'm not exaggerating. This is isn't the way of the future. This is a fact in our industry and has been for nearly 10 years.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Michael Chong

Merci.

Monsieur Wallace.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to the guests for coming today. It's been a very interesting conversation.

The first thing, I just want to be clear...and I think in your submissions today, and the submissions of the previous panel. This study is about the Telecommunications Act, which includes the Radiocommunication Act and the actual Telecommunications Act. And I think you're aware of that. You're making the assumption that you can't separate the integration of the broadcasting views.

Can you tell me whether there is anything in these acts now that is affecting broadcasting directly?

10:40 a.m.

Vice-President and Executive Director, Public Affairs, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo

Solange Drouin

Could you repeat the question?

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Is there anything in these two acts, the Telecommunications Act and the Radiocommunication Act, that is affecting the Broadcasting Act directly?

And second, just so you know, there is a satellite communications act. It's not called the “death star”--maybe you were looking it up wrong--but there is an act to deal with satellites.

Would anyone like to answer that question?

10:40 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

Sure.

Nice to see you again, Mr. Wallace.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

It's nice to see you again.

10:40 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

Well, as I understand it--

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

It could be a yes or no, that's fine.

10:40 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

--this committee is actually charged with looking at all three acts, including the Broadcasting Act.

10:40 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Not based on the study that was approved by this committee.

10:40 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

No, but I understood that the motion that set up this study included the Broadcasting Act.

In any event, Mr. Wallace, to get to your point, yes, the Telecommunications Act, in section 7, does require that the telecommunications perform an essential role in the maintenance of Canada's identity and sovereignty and that the Canadian telecommunications policy has as its objective to facilitate the orderly development throughout Canada of a telecommunications system that safeguards, enriches, and strengthens the social and economic fabric of Canada and its regions.

I interpret that as including culture, as actually Flora MacDonald, a Conservative minister, said when she introduced the act in 1987, the restrictions were necessary to ensure national sovereignty over this vital sector of the Canadian economy, and for reasons of national security and economic, social, and cultural well-being.

So the Conservative government at that time understood it, and I would hope it would continue.

Thank you.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I'm just trying to bring our conversation back to these acts. But I appreciate that.

Just briefly; I only have seven minutes.

April 1st, 2010 / 10:45 a.m.

Vice-President and Executive Director, Public Affairs, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo

Solange Drouin

Yes, sir.

I'll just tell you that I have in my hand the condition of licence of Telesat. It's a document from Industry Canada, and it says clearly:

“Telesat will operate the satellite as a Canadian telecommunications common carrier as defined under the Telecommunications Act...”

I believe you when you say there's an act on satellite, or on Telesat. This could be. But at the same time, also communication--

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I'm going to come back to you, because I have a question on one of your six points.

10:45 a.m.

Vice-President and Executive Director, Public Affairs, Association québécoise de l'industrie du disque, du spectacle et de la vidéo

Solange Drouin

No problem.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Now, what I'm hearing, and correct me if I'm wrong.... There's no doubt on this side, through the throne speech, that we're interested in looking at the opportunities for foreign investment changes. Who are we kidding, right? The fact is, though, the claims are that on the other side, on the broadcasting side, you cannot do it through regulation.

Just because of my knowledge of it, I'll mention the banking industry, which has been used as an example of success. The banking industry would like to be in the insurance business, and they are in the insurance business, but they can't do it out of their branch because of the laws and regulations we have.

So are you telling me that we cannot, as a government, regulate to be effective in making sure that broadcasting for Canadian content is protected, even though we have examples of other industries where the government is capable of doing it?

10:45 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

Let's hope that you do.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

So if, through regulation, we were able to change the telecommunications side and still protect, through regulation, the broadcasting fees, you would be satisfied?

10:45 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

We'll be satisfied with regulation ensuring that broadcasting is not affected. We're not satisfied that ceding control of telecommunications will not impact negatively on Canadian culture and on Canadian broadcasting.

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I have one more question for you. You're saying you were struggling with private broadcasters. Would you expect the Government of Canada to force private broadcasters to carry your content?

10:45 a.m.

National Executive Director, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists

Stephen Waddell

Force them?

10:45 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Yes. So if a private broadcaster--