It's very definitely on the radar. Especially for new researchers, for people just starting out, a discovery grant is how you get started. So the fact that those numbers have been declining is definitely noticeable.
I will say that I work in the industry liaison office, so we very much appreciate those applied research industry grants. I think it is recognized that there has to be that balance between sort of blue sky basic research that oftentimes down the road will lead into applied research or commercialization.... But as Ms. Ing has been talking about, in picking winners or whatever else, oftentimes you don't know what's going to be coming out of that basic research until you do it. So we think there has to be a balance. We think there should be both.