As an example, I actually am licensing patents from CRC. We also looked at some technology in patents being developed at NRC. We are looking at collaborative models utilizing those research institutions because we cannot do it all internally.
I think there does need to be a model. One of the things about IP is that there are strong anchors to that IP within those areas, so we need to find a way to work with them. They've already invested. We will invest further to take it to the market, but we have to find the right balance on that IP agreement as we transfer it from the laboratory to the final market.
In one case, we have a development licence from CRC to develop certain IP, and we will then start royalties upon product introduction. Unfortunately, between times—sometimes that time can vary—they were also asking for annual minimum payments, which is difficult to do because you haven't introduced a product yet.
Therefore shortening the timing and having an understanding.... I think part of it is also understanding and being somewhat flexible. We can actually work with those research institutes to develop some good models, I think, but I think everybody needs to be willing—