On the latter one that we were discussing, I would actually agree in terms of them both. I think there's a role for both.
I think the issue and process involved in applying for direct funding can be complex, but the issue and process involved in applying for a tax credit, particularly a SR and ED, is equally if not more complex.
I'm sure this committee has also heard a challenge with respect to the professional cottage industry of consultants that exists to facilitate that, who then take 25% off the top. That's money that's going to consultants and not to the industry.