What can we do? There is a big cultural factor where the federal government plays a role. Look at the public funding that goes into the universities. I was the chair of the board of governors. I was on the finance committee of McMaster for probably 14 years. They didn't use GAAP, so I had difficulty reading the financials some of the time, but there was no doubt about where the money came from.
The interesting thing is that in the provinces that have responsibility for education, for every two dollars they put into the operating funds of universities for education, the federal government puts in a dollar for research. I want to say, and I'll say it bluntly, that I believe that emphasis.... It's scientific research. Even in SSHRC, the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council, people are measured on objective, evidence-based research, not on subjective, experiential-based research. So experiential learning has almost gone out of the post-secondary learning environment. It's all objective and evidence-based.
All I'm saying is that if you put a dollar in for every two dollars from the provinces, and it's for scientific learning, you can't say that you're not affecting the learning environment. You are.