I'm going to ask Ken Doyle to help me on this one, but the quick comment is that they don't have to have the same policy as we do. That's exactly the problem. They are motivated very differently and they should be kept to doing what motivates them. Their professors are measured by publishing and by patenting. However, when it's about taking that idea and commercializing it, building it, scaling it up, doing cost avoidance studies and market feasibility studies, that may not be what we should ask a university to do. That is why I'm a great believer in the fact that public spending should focus on collaborating.
There is one such example. It is so subscale in the Jenkins panel it is laughable, but it is a very useful program. It's called college-university idea to innovation, CU-I2I. It's a very new program, another one of these boutique alphabet soup programs, but it is working. A college professor and a university professor work together to help a company get a product to market. Let the university professor do what he's paid for; let the college professor build it and break it with the student; let the company commercialize it.