I'm happy to talk to cloud issues. I think a couple of points need to be made.
For many cloud services, for these server farms, energy costs are by far the most significant costs they incur. We have a natural advantage. Any number of people have pointed to the potential we would have to locate server farms up in the north, where naturally it's fairly cold. You could have a carbon neutral system there where you're literally taking the heat that is being generated out of those server farms and repurposing it for use elsewhere. It's fairly cheap. We have fast fibre optic cables that could take that data and send it elsewhere, and it's all located in Canada. We haven't seen that developed in a way that it might be. Countries like Iceland are trying to put forward precisely the same kind of proposition.
I'd note as well that we face a big problem with respect to interchanges here, not the financial interchanges that Mr. Thibeault and others have been talking about, but the interchanges in terms of data itself. So the number of interchanges we have with the United States, where often the data might start in a Canadian server farm and go down to the U.S., is fairly limited; they're largely controlled by the usual suspects, so to speak. One of the things we have to think about is if we want to try to help foster the business case for more cloud services in Canada, we need to increase the number of interchanges we have.
And to that point, Mr. Wilson, in his opening remarks, referenced CANARIE, the research and education network; I serve on their board. We were renewed several years ago, but the renewal is coming up again next year, so it comes quickly. That hasn't been approved yet, and it's absolutely essential to ensure that CANARIE is approved, because, frankly, if it doesn't get approved, we're just going to have to build it again--our education networks and others are so dependent upon it.