Exactly, that includes BDC and a lot of other players in the Canadian innovation system. There are companies, as you mentioned, that are established. They have a strong management team. They have a research and development team and plan, but they need some support with the financial part of their business. They want to develop a product that is too risky for their normal way of doing business, so sometimes we convince them to do a little more to be more risk averse, and we help them financially to take this additional risk so that if the project is successful, the rewards will be commensurate with the investment.
On June 6th, 2013. See this statement in context.