Prof. Jeremy de Beer at the Industry, Science and Technology Committee

I don't know that anybody really has a handle on the scope of this problem or, frankly, the problem of counterfeiting and pirated goods crossing borders in general, so I applaud the efforts of the organizations that my fellow witnesses represent to gather better data. To me, that's something that has to be done on an ongoing basis to really understand the scope of this problem, rather than having only anecdotal examples such as we mostly have at present.