I would add to that. Programs such as what NSERC has to help hire summer students—not just summer students, I should say, but also students who are finished their third year and enter what is called a professional experience year—particularly for emerging small companies are fantastic. The kids come in with three years of education in their discipline. They join the company for 12 to 16 months before their fourth year starts. After a few months, they're just like regular employees. They love it. They're motivated. The NSERC program helps cover some of those costs. It's a much lower entry point than hiring a full-time position, yet we've gone back and hired some of those people full-time because they've been terrific students. The various programs that encourage and enable businesses to hire students is really one of the best ways to help develop the students, help develop the companies, and to create knowledge in Canada.
I've also, in my past, had 10 collaboration projects with various universities in Ontario, Quebec, and British Columbia. I found these to be very helpful in many ways, but I think the intellectual property rules are critical. In making effective collaborative work with universities, I think it must be clear that the private sector entity needs to raise capital, and it needs clear intellectual property statements or rights in their agreements. They can't rely on wishy-washy things, because when you try to take that the next step further, your investors are simply looking at something that's wishy-washy and it will not go anywhere.
Where we can develop these programs is very important. I'd add also, in speaking to people from IRAP last week, they said that Quebec is very well organized in the integration between industry and universities to get projects done; particularly, rapid response to an industry need is stronger than in other provinces. I'm not sure what they do there that's better, but I thought I'd mention it.