NSERC has been very important for scientists, engineers and mathematicians in this country. There is a core program called the discovery grants program which is absolutely important.
They're not large in a sense; they are about $20,000 to $50,000 for each professor, but they allow you to seed big blue items, big-vision items, and the things that professors who are interested in pursuing, they can pursue. I do think it is a program that all professors across the country will agree we need to expand. There are collaborative research and partnership programs, a swath of them, many of them. They are also very important, because they engage companies, and because of those programs we have engaged over 1,000 companies. We know that every time a new program comes along, NRC, NSERC, Mitacs, all of them are working very hard to try to connect industry with the university. All the officers on the ground are really working hard trying to make it happen. I do think that there is still a fear of risk. These things are very important as enablers, and it will take time, but with time you can overcome the fear of risk.