Evidence of meeting #8 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Marta Morgan  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
David Enns  Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Management Sector , Department of Industry
Robert Dunlop  Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Innovation Sector, Department of Industry
Paul Halucha  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Michael Ryan  Senior Analyst, Copyright and Trade-mark Policy Directorate, Department of Industry

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Bonjour à tous.

Welcome to the eighth meeting of the Standing Committee on Industry, Science and Technology. Pursuant to Standing Order 81(5) we are examining supplementary estimates (B) 2013-14 and specifically: votes 5b and 10b under Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency; votes 1b and 5b under Economic Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec; votes 1b, 5b, 10b, 55b, 60b, 65b, 70b, 75b, 80b, 90b, 95b, and 105b under Industry; and vote 5b under Western Economic Diversification. These were referred to the committee on Thursday, November 7, 2013.

In this regard, we have some witnesses before us, and I will introduce them right now: Marta Morgan, associate deputy minister, Department of Industry; Robert Dunlop, assistant deputy minister, science and innovation sector; David Enns, chief financial officer, corporate management sector; and Iain Stewart, assistant deputy minister, strategic policy sector.

I believe Ms. Morgan and Mr. Enns are giving opening remarks. Is that correct?

3:35 p.m.

Marta Morgan Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

That's correct.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

I will go by the order on my agenda.

Ms. Morgan, will you begin, please.

3:35 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

I would be glad to. Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee members, for the invitation to speak with you today about Industry Canada's 2013-14 supplementary estimates (B). I'll make some very brief opening remarks and then I will turn it over to David Enns to take you through the supplementary estimates in a little more detail.

As you know, Industry Canada's mandate is to help make Canadian industry more productive and competitive in the global economy, which in turn improves the economic and social well-being of Canadians. Our supplementary estimates requests are being made in support of this mandate.

The estimates we are here to review today show an increase of $101.6 million to Industry Canada's authorities, approximately half of which is to deliver on budget 2012 and budget 2013 commitments.

I will explain where the increases fit into our high-level objectives as a department, and then David Enns will cover the individual items.

At Industry Canada, we have three strategic objectives for implementing our mandate.

The first is to ensure that Industry Canada's framework policies, on things like foreign investment, intellectual property and competition, among others, are modern and efficient. This creates marketplace conditions for economic growth, protects consumers and helps businesses respond to market changes.

To support this objective, Industry Canada is requesting access to royalties collected from intellectual property arising from research work at the Communications Research Centre and from the Industry Canada-owned corporate name search system at Corporations Canada.

Our second strategic objective is to promote innovation in Canada. This is accomplished by investing in innovative R and D projects, by supporting research, education, and innovation in post-secondary institutions, and by fostering collaboration among research institutes, universities, colleges, and the private sector.

To support this objective, Industry Canada is submitting three items. The first two are to deliver on budget commitments to continue to support R and D in the automotive industry through the automotive innovation fund, to attract international students to come to Canada for research institutes and graduate fellowships, as well as to support Canadian students pursuing short-term research opportunities abroad through the Mitacs Globalink program. Third is an item to accelerate funding that was slated for 2014-15 for the Bombardier CSeries R and D project, which will be completed this month.

Finally, the third strategic objective for Industry Canada is to strengthen the competitiveness of businesses and communities by supporting key sectors and industries, ranging from advanced manufacturing to tourism. To this end, Industry Canada is requesting funding to provide loans and support to young entrepreneurs through the Canadian Youth Business Foundation and to support initiatives under the government's youth employment strategy.

I'll conclude my remarks simply by thanking you for inviting us today and I'll turn it over to David Enns.

3:35 p.m.

David Enns Chief Financial Officer, Corporate Management Sector , Department of Industry

Thank you, Marta.

Mr. Chair, and committee members, I'm here today to provide you with a bit of the detail around the supplementary estimates, as Marta has indicated.

First, if I may, let me start with a little bit of background.

As you may know, supplementary estimates are the vehicle to seek authorities for items that could not make it into the main estimates due to the timing of their approval, such as budget commitments. They also serve to provide information on changes in forecasted statutory spending during the fiscal year and finally to transfer funds between appropriations or departments when cost-sharing initiatives have been agreed to. Industry Canada has items that fall into each of the three categories.

As Marta mentioned, our supplementary estimates show an increase of $101.6 million, the majority of which is to deliver on budget commitments. This will bring the department's total authorities to a little less than $1.3 billion, which is a 15% reduction from last year's authorities of $1.5 billion. Approximately two-thirds of this amount goes to grants and contributions to support key industries and regions. The remainder goes to the department's operating and capital budgets.

Now let me walk you through some of the more important items. You will find them on pages 2-54 and 2-55 in the English document and pages 2-70 and 2-71 in the French document.

First, you'll see $25.7 million requested to finalize the Bombardier CSeries R and D project this year. It is important to note that this is not new money. The funding had been slated for next year, but Bombardier will complete the project this month, and this is to reimburse them for eligible costs that they have incurred as per the original contribution agreement. Next year's main estimates will be reduced by a corresponding amount.

There is $24.5 million requested for the reinvestment of receipts from repayable contributions. An important aspect of Industry Canada's funding model is that it relies in part on royalty repayments from legacy contribution programs that were collected in the previous year. This funding is accessed on an annual basis through the supplementary estimates, and that is what we are doing here.

For the automotive innovation fund $11.9 million is requested, following the announcement in January 2013 to renew the program for another five years at $250 million. The funding you see here is strictly to fund agreements that have already been reached. It is the first request in that overall envelope.

There is $10 million requested in support of the government's youth employment strategy. Industry Canada's role in that strategy is to support approximately 1,300 youth internships per year in community access sites, allowing young Canadians to develop the vital skills and work experience needed to make a successful transition to the workplace.

There is $8.5 million requested to support operational requirements, because of a decline in the repayments to which I referred a minute ago. Industry Canada can access up to $33 million in such repayments. Last year, $24.5 million was collected, and the department had been authorized to seek funding for the shortfall whenever repayments were below that threshold. We are doing that here now.

Marta mentioned Mitacs. Six million dollars is requested to attract highly skilled students to Canada and to provide Canadian students with international R and D experience abroad. This support was announced in budget 2013.

There is $3.5 million requested for the technical work experience program, which offers students and recent graduates in information technology programs professional experience in refurbishing computers. This initiative is also in support of the government's youth employment strategy.

There is $2.1 million from royalties from intellectual property. Half of this amount is from a computerized circuitry system owned by Industry Canada that allows individuals and companies to compare a proposed corporate name or trademark with a database of existing corporate bodies and trademarks. The department is permitted to reinvest those revenues in that program. The other half comes from the Communications Research Centre Canada, which licenses intellectual property as a result of the research done by its scientists.

As I mentioned, supplementary estimates are also used to provide information on changes in statutory appropriations, so you see an item here for $9 million for the Canadian Youth Business Foundation. Statutory items are for information only. They are not voted upon, but they appear here.

And finally, Supplementary Estimates is also the mechanism through which departments can transfer funds between votes and between departments on cost-shared initiatives. You will see a handful of them adding up to a net total of $594,000.

That concludes my presentation. I hope that sheds some light on the supplementary estimates that you have before you.

We'd be happy to answer any of your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Thank you very much.

We're going to go with five-minute rounds until the time is exhausted.

Mr. Lake.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

I imagine time will go by fairly quickly. I'm going to use the opportunity to focus on some questions regarding the bullet points that you mentioned in your speech, in order to get a little more information, if I could.

Interesting to me is this Mitacs Globalink program. You talked about $6 million there. I don't know whether any of you could describe that program for taxpayers who might be listening today or might read this online later. What are they getting for the investment in a program like that?

3:45 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

I'll ask Rob Dunlop to take this question.

3:45 p.m.

Robert Dunlop Assistant Deputy Minister, Science and Innovation Sector, Department of Industry

Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the question.

It was announced in budget 2013 that additional funding would be provided to Mitacs to bring some absolutely top-flight foreign students into Canada, provide them with an opportunity to do internships here in companies and other institutions to develop roots, and also to send some Canadian students abroad to have an experience working in another country and to add to their human capital for when they join the workforce.

The plan is to have 2,100 new internships as a result of this announcement and 180 graduate fellowships. We would ramp up to that over three years. It covers a variety of disciplines.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

I could ask more about that, but I think I'll switch to the automotive innovation fund. I remember that when I was first named parliamentary secretary after the 2008 election, at least one of my colleagues in the room was on a committee that looked at the auto sector and some of the challenges facing it at the time.

Could you speak to the rationale behind the fund and to the reasons that make it so important? As you mentioned in your comments, it was just recently replenished.

Maybe somebody could speak to that.

3:45 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

I'd be glad to speak to it.

The automotive industry is a very important industry in the Canadian economy. It employs about 480,000 Canadians and represents 10% of manufacturing GDP. Manufacturing as a whole is also a key part of the Canadian economy. It represents about 12% of GDP, but it really accounts for almost half of the country's business R and D and a significant proportion as well of Canada's exports. Within that envelope, automobiles constitute one of the largest sectors.

The automotive innovation fund is a fund that allows the government to contribute to innovation and to research and development in this industry, which assists the industry to renew its plants, to upgrade, and to ensure the long-term viability and footprint of the Canadian automobile industry.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Lake Conservative Edmonton—Mill Woods—Beaumont, AB

Could you elaborate on the health of the Canadian automotive industry relative to industries in other countries?

3:45 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

Overall, what we saw in the Canadian industry was an obviously very difficult recession for the automobile industry in North America and globally. What we have seen over the last couple of years is that the sector overall is doing much better. In terms of direct employment, we have more than 115,000 Canadians employed in Canada. Interestingly, the automotive industry itself also has a very strong cluster of parts manufacturers. In the auto parts sector in Canada alone, we have more than 750 businesses.

What we have seen over the last few years coming out of the recession is that the industry is now starting to reinvest in the next generation of vehicles and the next generation of manufacturing, now that the market is starting to pick up. We have seen this in Canada most recently with Ford and its investment in its Oakville plant, which the government was able to support through the AIF.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Sweet

Thank you very much, Ms. Morgan.

Now we will go to Ms. Charlton for five minutes.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Chris Charlton NDP Hamilton Mountain, ON

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you very much to departmental officials for being with us today.

Five minutes isn't a lot of time, so I'm going to focus my questions just on one area. I'm particularly interested in the Investment Canada Act.

There have been newspaper stories recently saying that Alberta Premier Alison Redford and former industry minister Jim Prentice are being critical of the uncertainty we have created in this country because of the treatment of the Investment Canada Act. I come from Hamilton, where U.S. Steel bought Stelco. My colleague from Sudbury has witnessed the purchase of Inco by Vale. Workers are as concerned if not more concerned than the premier and the former industry minister.

I want to ask about moneys that were earmarked for enforcing the undertakings that have been made under the Investment Canada Act. For example, in Hamilton we know that production employment targets weren't met.

I don't know what the enforcement mechanism is and how much we spend on it, what funds are earmarked for the office of the director of investments, and what funds are earmarked for review of foreign takeovers under national security considerations.

I'll just start with those three questions for now.

3:50 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

By way of introduction, I would note that foreign investment is very critical to the Canadian economy, and this is recognized by Canada. When we look internationally, we see that we have one of the more open foreign investment regimes among countries. Recently there have been a number of changes to this regime related to state-owned enterprises and national security, to ensure that the regime is aligned with Canada's interests while promoting investment.

With respect to your specific questions about the allocation of resources, I'd have to get back to you with the exact figures, because I don't have them on the tip of my tongue. We have an office that is responsible for—

Oh, here we go. I just got it here.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Chris Charlton NDP Hamilton Mountain, ON

This just in.

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Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

There is $1.6 million a year—

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NDP

Chris Charlton NDP Hamilton Mountain, ON

—for which function?

3:50 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

—that goes towards reviewing transactions as they come in. That is for a group that is responsible for reviewing any transactions as they come in, for assessing and providing advice on the undertakings that are provided in those transactions, and for following up on those undertakings, as well as for providing general policy advice around the Investment Canada Act.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Chris Charlton NDP Hamilton Mountain, ON

Just as a follow-up, and I'm going to use the example of U.S. Steel in Hamilton, when the government takes a company to court for non-compliance with the agreement it had made with the Government of Canada, are those court costs covered by the $1.6 million as well, or are they actually covered by the Department of Justice?

3:50 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

Marta Morgan

They would be covered generally by our legal budget. We have a legal budget within the department that would cover our legal activities. In some cases we would reallocate internally or between ourselves and the Department of Justice to fund court cases, if we have something unusual in any particular year, such as the U.S. Steel case.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Chris Charlton NDP Hamilton Mountain, ON

That would be in addition to the regular enforcement.

3:50 p.m.

Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Industry