Evidence of meeting #119 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was materials.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christine Peets  President, Professional Writers Association of Canada
Nancy Marrelli  Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

You have this crown copyright in your archive. Someone comes along and says, “I'd like to access it”, and it's a big to-do for you because—

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

You can access it in our reading rooms.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If they physically come....

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If they don't physically show up, you're effectively making a copy. Is that it?

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

We want to digitize a lot of these materials—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Oh, you want to digitize them.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

—because they have historical interest.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Okay. If it's not digitized.... I see.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

We can't digitize it and put it on the Internet without permission.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

You don't have the right.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

And it has to go document by document.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

I see.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

If you want to digitize a folder, which might include 5,000 documents, you have to go document by document to get the permission.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If I understand it, your archives, the people you represent, have crown copyright documents.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

Most archives in Canada do have crown copyright.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

They'll have these crown copyright documents. They will be physical documents, a book, say.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

Right. It could be a letter from an MP to a—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

If someone wants to see that letter from an MP, they have the right to show up and say, “Show it to me”—

May 31st, 2018 / 4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

—but you don't have the right to copy it and put it out there.

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

That's right.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Even if you wanted to put it out there, you'd have to physically go through every piece to get it....

4:05 p.m.

Special Advisor, Copyright, Canadian Council of Archives

Nancy Marrelli

Yes, and if the researcher wants to use the material, they have to get permission from the department.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Each department, too.... It's not even centralized.