Industry Committee on June 12th, 2018

Evidence of meeting #122 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was music.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Statutory Review of the Copyright Act

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-François Cormier President, Audio Cine Films Inc.

Hugo Desrosiers Vice-President, Audio Cine Films Inc.

Francis Schiller First Director, Public Interests Research and Communications Inc., Border Broadcasters, Inc.

Graham Henderson President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Elliott Anderson Director, Public Policy and Communications, National, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)

Laurie McAllister Director, Performers' Rights Society and Recording Artists' Collecting Society, Alliance of Canadian Cinema, Television and Radio Artists (ACTRA)

5:05 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

We want to harmonize the laws of our land. By the way, on radio the performer is disadvantaged because remember that first $1.25 million.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Yes. We get that. We got that one.

What about the publisher or the producer in both radio and on television?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

The publisher is the person who works with the songwriter. It's like a business person who helps songwriters maximize their income. They are paid. Over on the performer side, for the label that signed the performer to a recording contract, the performer's not paid, the label's not paid, whether you're an independent or a major.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

We got the performers not being paid. The label is getting paid if it goes on the radio?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

No.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

It's never getting paid.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

Not on the first $1.25 million.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Let's assume that's fixed.

The label should get remuneration.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

Yes. The same way the publisher does.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Yes. The same way. However, on television specifically and film, the label doesn't get either.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

Correct.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

However, the writer and the producer do?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

Yes. Think about it here. You have your publisher and your songwriter. There is a business relationship.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

Publisher and songwriter.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

They are getting everything.

Over here you have the recording label and the performer. They get nothing—

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

They get nothing.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

—on sound recording and they have the exemption to deal with on radio.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

When it goes on television—

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

As background.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

—and that background they are out—

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

The residuals.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

—but the other ones are in—

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

Yes.

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Liberal

Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC

—and you're saying that doesn't make sense.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Music Canada

Graham Henderson

No.