Evidence of meeting #138 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was forward.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Knubley  Deputy Minister, Department of Industry
Lisa Setlakwe  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategy and Innovation Policy Sector, Department of Industry
Mitch Davies  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Innovation Canada, Department of Industry
Dan Albas  Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, CPC
Paul Halucha  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry
David de Burgh Graham  Laurentides—Labelle, Lib.
Philippe Thompson  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management Sector, Department of Industry
Éric Dagenais  Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry
Michael Chong  Wellington—Halton Hills, CPC

4:20 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Éric Dagenais

ESDC has put forward the future skills centre. An RFP went out in May 2018, and that call for proposals and applications is now closed. The selected organization will be announced shortly. That's my understanding. The centre is dedicated to understanding the skills of the future and how best to take workers—ideally before they have to be laid off—and reskill them so they can keep their jobs in the economy of tomorrow. That's at ESDC.

At ISED we have a number of programs. We mentioned CanCode earlier. We also fund Mitacs, which is really about work-integrated learning and dovetails with what some of the private sector firms have told us. BHER, the Business/Higher Education Roundtable, has called on the government and large firms to ensure that 100% of college and university students have access to work-integrated learning opportunities before they graduate.

Mitacs feeds into that objective. There is CanCode, as I mentioned, and we worked very closely with ESDC and IRCC on the global skills strategy. That's something Minister Bains heard very clearly from firms during the consultations on the innovation agenda. They were having a hard time bringing in global talent, so as a result of work in our department and others, there is now a two-week turnaround time that's being met over 90% of the time for global skills people coming in. The preliminary stats are that for every person who comes in with top global talent, 11 jobs are created for Canadians, so bringing in global talent creates jobs here.

Skills are a really important focus in the department, and there are a number of initiatives under way.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Majid Jowhari Liberal Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

John Knubley

I would add that the six sector tables actually spent a good deal of time talking about the issues you've raised, and there are a number of recommendations in there. In terms of upscaling, it really needs to be done on a sectoral basis.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Thank you very much.

For the final two minutes, we have Mr. Masse.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Can you tell us a bit about the $2.5 million in government-related advertising?

4:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management Sector, Department of Industry

Philippe Thompson

This is money that is being transferred from a central fund in PCO to cover three advertising programs related to Innovation Canada, women entrepreneurs and women in STEM. The money is coming from a central allocation, and we are adding some additional funding within the organization to top up the $2.4 million.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Okay, so it's for women entrepreneurs, women in STEM and Innovation Canada. How much advertising revenue in total will be spent on those programs?

4:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management Sector, Department of Industry

Philippe Thompson

I'm afraid I don't have that information with me. We could get it.

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

John Knubley

We'll have to come back to you with some more information.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Okay, that's fine.

Are they initiatives to support existing programs?

4:25 p.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management Sector, Department of Industry

Philippe Thompson

Yes, it's to promote existing programs in the organization.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

I assume that's going to be social media purchases, videos and so on. I'm just looking at how you're going to reach people with the money.

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

John Knubley

We're still in discussion as to exactly how we would do it, but we'll come back to you with whatever information we have.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

I would just like to follow up on the process to reach some of the small aluminum and steel producers who are affected by the tariffs. When can we actually see a specific action or plan for them to be able to get their money back?

4:25 p.m.

Deputy Minister, Department of Industry

John Knubley

First of all, we're continuing to monitor the situation, for the reasons several members are raising here. They have immediate access to BDC, so there are opportunities there. Second, as I mentioned earlier, we are looking at other options.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Is BDC providing loans, then? That's not a way to get their money back. You're saying they should just borrow from BDC. Is that correct?

4:25 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Paul Halucha

BDC is providing loans. The number I gave was $100 million. It's actually $204 million to 200 to 300 clients.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

That's not their money. Borrowing more money from the government isn't their money.

4:25 p.m.

Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Industry Sector, Department of Industry

Paul Halucha

On the program idea that the deputy talked about, effectively what we're looking at are those companies that were not eligible under the strategic innovation fund to determine whether there is both sufficient demand and a policy rationale to look at providing support. At this point, there's no determination of its going forward; it's simply an analysis that's under way in the department.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON

Thank you.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Thank you very much.

We are going to suspend for a very quick two minutes, or one minute, actually. We have our next guest here.

We are short on time, so I need everybody to make sure they do their thing.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Can we get everybody back in their seats? We do have a tight timetable, bearing in mind that we do need to vote on the supplementary estimates later on.

We are joined by the Honourable Navdeep Bains.

Mr. Bains, you have seven minutes.

4:30 p.m.

Mississauga—Malton Ontario

Liberal

Navdeep Bains LiberalMinister of Innovation

Thank you very much, Chair.

It really is great to be here.

Thank you very much for the opportunity and the invitation today. I really do appreciate the opportunity to meet with you on the occasion of tabling supplementary estimates (A) for 2018-19. In doing so, I am seeking approval for spending that is aligned with our government's priorities, in particular promoting economic growth, which is our number one priority.

Mr. Chair, despite a challenging global climate, Canada's economy remains rock-solid. In fact, our jobless rate, as mentioned by the Minister of Finance in the House of Commons today, is at a 40-year low, with over half a million full-time jobs having been created since 2015. Of course, there's no coincidence to this, Mr. Chair.

We have been making strategic and targeted investments. And our middle class has benefited from the creation of new jobs and now has a better and sustained quality of life.

Many of these investments are reflected in the supplementary estimates that we are discussing today. The primary mechanism under which we are doing this work is called the Innovation and Skills Plan.

Through our plan, Mr. Chair, we're taking a partnership-based approach to innovation-driven competitiveness in Canada, one that includes strategic investments and first-of-their-kind programs to develop innovation ecosystems and foster growth.

This new approach to innovation funding is accelerating and building on Canada's economic strengths. For example, it's really supporting the scale-up of Canadian firms and helping expand their roles in regional and global supply chains. It's about how we can compete not only within Canada, but internationally as well. It's attracting the kind of investment that creates good-quality well-paying jobs for the middle class.

It is my pleasure, Mr. Chair, to share with you some of the accomplishments under the innovation and skills plan, which is really our new smart industrial policy, as well as a view to where we're headed.

One of our most successful programs has been the strategic innovation fund, and I want to highlight this because it was a key initiative that was introduced in our plan.

It encourages research and development to speed up technology transfer and the commercialization of Canadian innovations. It facilitates the growth and expansion of Canadian firms and helps attract and retain large-scale investments. And, because industry boundaries are blurred in today's economy, it is open to all industries.

As of November 1 of this year, the fund has announced over 30 projects totalling $775 million in contributions that we've made, investments that we've made. What's more impressive is that these investments have leveraged a total investment of $7.3 billion, and we can all be very proud of this.

In a similar vein, another initiative that many of you are familiar with was highlighted last week. We've been making great progress on the $950-million innovation superclusters initiative. It's a collaborative effort between industry, academia and government through which we are building up existing areas of industrial strength to grow globally competitive companies.

Just last week I was pleased to announce contribution agreements with the Ocean, Advanced Manufacturing, and Protein Industries Supercluster.

The government really couldn't have asked for better partners.

I've also been very impressed with the ability to mobilize the innovation ecosystem, from small and large companies to universities and research partners, and from entrepreneurs and investors to other government agencies as well. The end result of this initiative—and I think this is really important to highlight, Mr. Chair—is that more than 50,000 new jobs will be created over the next 10 years, and these superclusters will add over $50 billion to our economy in the coming years as well. These are huge numbers, so we're super excited about these two programs: the superclusters initiative and the strategic innovation fund initiative. Again, this speaks to our government's overall new smart industrial policy, which is really focused around growth and jobs.

The innovation and skills plan is not simply about dollars and cents. It's about making it easier for businesses to grow. That's what we're truly here to talk about: growth. We made it easier for companies to access government programs through Innovation Canada. This is a one-stop shop. If entrepreneurs want to deal with the Government of Canada, rather than dealing with different levels and trying to figure out different programming, they answer a few short questions and in minutes they will get tailored, clear information about the programs that best meet their needs. I'm talking about federal, provincial and territorial information. It is a way to streamline the process for businesses to be business-focused and business-centric.

Complementing this, we've launched Canada's intellectual property strategy, the first such strategy. Imagine, in a knowledge economy, this is the first time the federal government has put forward such an ambitious strategy. As the members of this committee know, IP is integral to growing firms and fuelling innovation in today's technology-driven economy. Looking at other successful innovation nations, we always knew that our innovation and skills plan needed to include a proper IP plan. Members of the committee, as you heard from stakeholders when you undertook your study on IP, businesses armed with a strong, modern IP strategy make more money and pay their employees higher wages than those without. Those that have an IP strategy pay on average 16% more. This is good for companies, but more importantly this is really good for workers.

Furthermore, small and medium-sized businesses that use IP are two and a half times more likely to be involved in innovation activities. Again, it's about creating a culture of innovation and building that ecosystem. Our strategy, therefore, contains several measures to increase IP awareness and to make the system more transparent and predictable so businesses can focus on what matters, which is innovating and coming up with new ideas for new solutions.

Let me also take this opportunity to thank this committee once again for its thoughtful report and recommendations on this issue, because again it was a collective effort. You stepped up in a big way. We heard you loud and clear, and we implemented your recommendations.

These are just a handful of the government's accomplishments under the Innovation and Skills Plan, but rest assured, we are not done.

Mr. Chair, I want to quickly highlight that we're moving in a direction that also addresses issues around data and privacy, particularly the consultations we've done under the national digital and data consultations. Of course, our country's competitive advantages are increasingly defined by the ability to create, commercialize and implement digital technologies to harness the power of data. That's why we held the national digital and data consultations from June to October, engaging more than 550 thought leaders right across the country. We wanted to genuinely understand how Canada can drive digital innovation, prepare Canadians for the future of work, and ensure they can trust how their data is used. These consultations were a first step and will help guide us as we continue to make sure that Canada is in a leadership role.

I would also be remiss if I did not mention the continued renaissance of our regional development agencies. This truly is a point of pride because we brought the agencies together, provided additional money for them, and allowed them to focus on innovation-related projects as well. Again, they've done a tremendous job of focusing on helping companies scale up. They helped with diversification. This speaks to the concerns—and more importantly, the opportunities—that innovation occurs everywhere and not just in the big cities. It's important that all Canadians benefit from innovation.

Colleagues, as you can see, this is a very comprehensive innovation and skills plan.

The global economy is more competitive than ever. Canada must move quickly or risk being left behind. That is why these measures are so important. For Canada to succeed, innovation is imperative.

All the middle-class families from coast to coast to coast are counting on us to set this country on the right path, and that is exactly what we're doing.

I want to thank you, Chair, for this opportunity, and the committee members for their time. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Thank you very much.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy

Thank you much.

I am mindful of the time. The first round will be five minutes instead of seven minutes, and again, I will be holding people to their times because we are going to be short of time.

Mr. Graham, you have five minutes, please.

4:40 p.m.

Laurentides—Labelle, Lib.

David de Burgh Graham

Thank you, Minister, for being here.

I have a few different questions, so I'll be as brief as I can.

First of all, can you give us a sense of why you think it's important for us to restore rail service to Churchill through Western Economic Diversification?