It's been terrific to engage with Siemens over time. I've done it at one level, and our institutions themselves are much more deeply engaged, but I think all sides have learned from the experience. We can't simply replicate a model from another country, but we can take the best learnings from those countries and apply them in the Canadian context.
I think that if you were to invite Robert Hardt, the CEO of Siemens, to come to the table, he would say that he has learned and his thinking has evolved about how to make the innovation system work better in Canada by collaborating with colleges and universities.