I think the most successful approach to this has been in British Columbia where they had two-for-one and between 2001 and 2004 they cut by 36%. That created a culture change. There was no longer any need.... After two-for-one hit, the 36% reduction, regulators had to do one-for-one after that, but I said that they're down to 49%. There's no bigger indication to me that you have a culture change within government. The government continues to identify more to reduce—
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