I have personal experience when they first brought in cost recovery. I'm actually in the medical field. I made arguments, and they—quote, unquote—“listened”. You can show up and talk, but do they listen? The answer is no. There's a reason for that.
To run their department, if they go to 100% cost recovery, they can build their empire without going to Treasury Board saying, “Can you give me money to run my department?” They just take that headache off and they can just get the money and keep piling it on and on the industry. That actually suits the person running that department because they can go to full cost recovery on any expense, if they photocopy everything they want, to somehow put it on industry. It saves them a battle that they have to do with Treasury Board.
In that light, where would you see our taking some constructive measure, if we made some recommendation here to put some reasonableness in cost recovery, to say, “You can recover cost up to here, but you can't go for everything”? As you pointed out, Mr. Masswohl, should we be saying that if there's a benefit to Canadian society, then Canadian society has to pay for part of that benefit?