Maybe I can make just a quick comment about the green credentials and the importance of how governments build into that.
As you know, we operate in public forest lands owned by the provinces. They have regulations on how we manage the forest. We've commissioned studies that have looked at the regulatory regime in Canada versus competing nations. Studies have found that we have among the most stringent regulatory regimes in the world. On top of that, we have the voluntary certification. When we're trying to sell our products around the world, the Canada brand is very important. It doesn't get a premium, but in a price tie, it might win us the day. That's important.
In terms of working with other sectors, we're trying, but we're also reaching out past our comfort zone into new markets. That's very challenging in its own right. All the companies have corporate strategies they're looking at on where to go. The breadth of opportunities is almost overwhelming. With some of the other natural resource sectors, like mining, not doing great at the moment, their willingness or capacity to try new things on a big scale might be quite challenging. I mentioned the lignin study at Lakehead. Goldcorp and another mining company, which I can't remember off the top of my head, are partnering in that research. Some of the R and D is happening.
With oil and gas, obviously they are going through very tough times. Some of our researchers have talked to COSIA. We're making some efforts. Whenever you get different sectors talking to each other, it just complicates things, and things take longer. It's still early days.