To my knowledge, they are engaged. It depends on the nature of the work. If you look at the Canadian surface combatant program, we will do the manual labour on the exterior of the build, but there is significant value for the country in skills and training and research and development activities, systems engineering, and combat systems, in the second wave. Right now you've got a wave of people who are going to build the ship and you're going to have a second wave, which I would argue is the area where we should be significantly focusing to position ourselves, because that's the area where intellectual property will or could reside in Canada.
We need to be looking at whether or not we've got universities on board to collaborate in what I would call the “guts” of the ship, where we have foreign design houses being directed to provide work to Canadian companies that will be working on the components within the ship and integrating them. That is where the future exportability will come from as we evolve this. That's where you get the two for one, which is in the inside of the ship as opposed to being on the outside. That is where I would put the effort in the skills and training.