On the ground, in the facility day-to-day with BDC, we've been seeing more of them in the last four-or-five months. I find that encouraging. I understand the concern and frustration. I think there really has been a shift in the intention to be more accessible and to have their feet on the ground in local ecosystems. Certainly, and this is anecdotal from our perspective, we are seeing more of the BDC folks.
One of the critical pieces for them is partnership, because when they are a follow-on investment to a program like Futurpreneur, then they're adding their weight and their finances to a set of founders and small business owners that Julia's team has already done due diligence on, is coaching, and is mentoring. I think those partnership mechanisms are one good way to get more dollars into companies more quickly.