There's a lot of things there.
First off, I think with the federal government and Ontario, when you talk about exemption, I guess it would be Ontario that needs that exemption, in that sense.
I think really what we're talking about is to recognize that there is a cap-and-trade program there, that they are imposing costs already on the price of carbon, and that should be sufficient at this point in time. It doesn't mean that won't change in the future, but for us, we're already incurring high electricity costs that we don't see south of the border in our competing plants in the United States, and additional costs of carbon and whether we have to buy credits, which is really a tax on our business that we don't have in those other jurisdictions. That's what we need to avoid, so it doesn't further undermine our competitiveness. We still have a lot of good things going on in Ontario and Canada.
The issue for climate change is not to have something that's necessarily an issue across Canada per se, although we as a country have to meet our commitments that we have now made internationally. The real issue here, from a competitive standpoint, is north-south, whether it be the United States or Mexico. Our primary competitor right now, given the cost of labour and so forth, is really the United States, so we can't be adding to those costs.
On the CPP, under the ORPP originally.... We have some fabulous companies as well that have rich pension plans, which are defined benefit plans or a combination of defined benefit and defined contribution. They are rich plans, and under the ORPP, the issue of equivalency was there. It was acknowledged and it was accepted. We don't have that commitment at the CPP level. We could well be adding cost in that respect to our plans that are already significant and quite rich plans. That's the issue.