To go back to the point you made first, I just want to say very clearly that carbon pricing is but one cost of production. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the approach Canada is taking, but we have to remember that it's one more cost at a time when competitors aren't putting that cost in. If we wish to do that—if we think there is a strong policy imperative to do it—that's great, but what are we going to take away somewhere else so that we can get more of what we want, which is more investment and more jobs in Canada?
Regarding downstream recycling, I think the best examples for me to talk about are on the plastics side. We have an event here on Parliament Hill tomorrow morning on the health of our oceans, and certainly a major concern is with plastic debris that ends up in the oceans. We've done a number of things as an industry. In fact, this year the federal government caught up with the work of the U.S. states, but as an industry we've been phasing out plastic microbeads from our products and consumer products for some time. We were in support of what the federal government did; we thought it was the right thing to do. As an industry in North America, we are putting millions of dollars into research and development and changing citizens' behaviour so that we can keep plastic debris from ultimately finding its way into our waterways and into the oceans.
