Other jurisdictions have put targets on it, so we can differ on that.
The other one I want to talk about here briefly is the say on pay. Mr. Masse alluded to this. We see some executives with obscene payouts, pensions. Hunter Harrison would be a great example of one with an obscene payout.
Why shouldn't shareholders have a say on somebody who walks away with hundreds of millions of dollars? Why not do that and be bold? Who would argue with that? Certainly, it's not the workers in this country.