I would say it's the bare minimum. That would be something that would definitely be reasonable, if not more. I think we can and should do better, and that's why I had the discussion with my colleague before about re-examining after five years. I think that provides an ample time period for us to examine and allow corporations, through the process of electing different boards, etc., ample opportunity to demonstrate meaningful progress. If they don't make it, then we come back, sit down, and figure out why they aren't making meaningful progress, what other tools we have, and how we continue.
There are two components, like you said. There's the target and there's also creating a culture.