The other point I would make is that we're not talking about saying that 50% of the CEOs of publicly traded companies on the TSX will be women and/or visible minorities. We're saying people on boards. A female who is a certified general accountant, a chartered accountant, or a certified managerial accountant, I would say, is qualified to sit on any board. That's my opinion. They would do a fantastic job. You could work for any accounting firm in this country and you would be qualified.
More to Ms. van Biesen's point, it's the old boys' club. I've worked in the old boys' club. I know how it works. They golf, they drink, and they play hockey together. That's the way it is. Your point about sponsorship over mentorship is exactly correct. The only way you're going to break the old boys' club is to put targets on and to get at it. Maybe the targets won't get met. You said 30% five years from 2017. Okay, but there will be plenty of companies that do make those targets, and the ones that don't should have an explanation.
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