That's my concern. It seems that what I am hearing, as things advance here, is that the diversity of some of these boards—when you're talking about geography and so forth—seems to be a kind of a diversity model inside a bubble, versus that of the regular population, which would never consider such factors as part of diversity. I think we do generally speak about some of those things, like geography and representation—the Canadian political model has some of that—but it doesn't stop there.
Ms. Biesen...?