Thank you. I would tend to agree with that because I think if we're looking to get diversity.... First of all, if there's a director who has no support except for one person and we can't remove that person, I don't see how we can get diversity.
I want to move on to another point quickly: say on pay. That's another place where I've heard diverse opinions between ICD and CCGG.
Your organization, ICD, is against say on pay. I'll let you speak to it, Mr. Fortier.