I think those are really important questions. There are organizations, whether it's immigrant organizations or indigenous organizations, that can help. I know that Roberta Jamieson, for example, has certainly presented names to the Canadian Board Diversity Council in terms of coming up with people who may very well be qualified to sit on these kinds of boards.
I think it's understanding those communities and how you get the information. You may not use the same information sources that you would use for other communities, so it is that awareness.
When I was increasing diversity in my organization with the federal government, I told my people to go out to different sources. Look for the leading immigrant women, for example, who are in business. Where are they? Who would likely be very good or very qualified to sit on boards?
It's the same in the indigenous.... There are a number of indigenous women now who are running businesses and who may very well be positive candidates for sitting on other boards.