We have witnesses here, and we're going into the realm of debate while we have witnesses here. I still fail to see the relevance to Bill C-25, which is why we're here and why we have witnesses here.
After we're done with our witnesses, we do have time later on to have a debate about it. In so far as relevance to Bill C-25 and the fact that we have witnesses here, I'm failing to understand where we are with this today right now at this point.